J.L. Collins, known as the “Godfather of FI” in the FIRE (Financial Independence, Retire Early) community, recently appeared on Hasan Minhaj’s podcast to discuss his three rules for financial success. Minhaj, who admitted to being financially clueless in his early comedy days, was intrigued by Collins’ approach to achieving financial freedom.
Collins’ first rule is to spend less than you earn, a concept that Minhaj jokingly equated to being cheap. However, Collins emphasized that it’s not about deprivation but rather about prioritizing financial freedom. He spoke about the importance of building up “FU money,” which allows individuals to make bold choices without being tied down by debt.
The second rule is to invest the surplus income in an index fund like VTSAX, a low-cost fund by Vanguard. While Minhaj questioned the choice of VTSAX over high-flying tech stocks, Collins stressed the reliability and long-term growth potential of index funds.
Collins also highlighted the significance of avoiding debt, whether it’s a mortgage, car loan, or credit card debt. By freeing up extra income from debt payments, individuals can redirect that money towards investments.
During the discussion, Minhaj raised concerns about market crashes and the volatility of growth stocks. Collins shared his experience of enduring several market crashes over the past 50 years and emphasized the importance of seizing opportunities to buy stocks at discounted prices during market downturns.
For those starting their financial independence journey, tools like Acorns can simplify the process of investing by automatically rounding up purchases and investing the spare change. Learning to budget effectively and seeking the guidance of financial advisors can also contribute to long-term financial success.
Ultimately, Collins’ message is clear: prioritize financial freedom by spending wisely, investing consistently, and avoiding unnecessary debt. By following these principles and staying resilient during market fluctuations, individuals can build a secure financial future.

