Government Accountability official says fraud does exist, but it’s not widespread : NPR

President Trump and Elon Musk have vowed to uncover and eliminate fraud in the federal government, and the White House has pointed to a recent Government Accountability Office (GAO) report as evidence and justification for their ongoing efforts to takeover and dismantle federal agencies.

The GAO is an agency under Congress that provides lawmakers and executive agencies with information about how efficiently and effectively components of the federal government are conducting their work.

So far, the Trump administration has not shown clear evidence of fraud.

Instead, the DOGE X account and White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt have pointed to the elimination of DEI — diversity, equity and inclusion — contacts and other expenditures that don’t align with the administration’s political priorities.

In a memo Wednesday, the administration said that “Trump is determined to be a good steward of taxpayer dollars and put an end to fraudulent and wasteful spending” and attached the GAO’s report.

A co-author of that report, GAO Director Rebecca Shea, tells NPR that while government fraud and waste makes up an estimated 3% and 7% of federal spending, the overwhelming majority of federal spending isn’t fraudulent.

Shea also noted that the report defines fraud narrowly — and that definition doesn’t match up with Trump and Musk’s definition. “To call something fraud, you need to prove it in a criminal or civil case,” she said.

Shea added that finding fraud takes a long time and adjudicating it takes even longer — which fraudsters take advantage of. In her GAO report, Shea suggested Artificial Intelligence (AI) could help the government catch the fraud.

“It can evolve a lot more quickly than a human might looking at the data themselves,” Shea said. “AI does offer promise when we’re able to use the data systems. There are a fair number of actual structured data sets that I think could be more readily used for fraud detection with AI capabilities, predictive modeling.”

Musk’s DOGE is reportedly working on a custom AI chatbot called “GSAi” in their effort to cut spending, according to the magazine WIRED.

But Shea cautioned that government use of AI does create its own risks.

“The flip side of that is fraudsters are using AI already to defraud federal programs,” Shea said. “And they are not hampered by the same guidelines and laws that the U.S. government is when it comes to AI. Fraudsters aren’t hindered in the same way.”

People from “all walks of life” commit fraud, even those inside the government, Shea said.

“Like anywhere there are going to be insider threats,” Shea said. “There were some government officials that were in the mix.

Among those facing charges by the Department of Justice were civil servants and contractors.

While expressing support for the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) and its initiatives, Elon Musk criticized the United States, labeling it as a “bureaucracy” rather than a democracy.

“We need a second American revolution to liberate the people from the tyranny of bureaucracy!” Musk posted.

“We are pleased that individuals are utilizing our report and finding our data valuable in the discussions aimed at enhancing federal services,” stated Shea. “We have a responsibility to taxpayers, and there is room for improvement. We hope that our report will contribute towards progress in the right direction.”

When questioned about Musk and the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) unit, Shea declined to comment.

“I prefer not to offer an opinion on that matter,” Shea remarked. “It is beyond my area of expertise.”

Shea mentioned that she has not had any personal interaction with Musk or DOGE, although she confirmed that U.S. Comptroller General Gene Dodaro, who has overseen GAO since 2008, has been in touch with the Trump administration post-inauguration, as is customary.

Overall, Shea emphasized that the government efficiently manages taxpayer funds and is optimistic about further enhancements.

“[Annual fraud] accounts for 3% to 7% of the yearly federal budgets during that timeframe,” Shea explained. “While it is a significant figure, the majority of spending is legitimate.”